Public accountability meeting – 29 October 2019

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Meeting overview

This month’s meeting focuses on:

Fire – On-call firefighters
Police – Domestic abuse

Ask a question

The full procedure for asking questions at this meeting is available here: Procedure for public questions

  • To ask a question in advance 
    Send your question to before midday on Friday 25 October, please include your name and address with your question.
  • To ask a question during the meeting using Twitter
    To ask a question during the live broadcast, post your question on Twitter using #NYscrutiny

Public questions

Questions received before the meeting

Gwen Swinburn@GSwinburn
HR overview. Very useful report, but on staff overview it’s unclear- chief Constable staff has gone down from 880 in April to 815 now, against a budget target of 920. What is happening and how much budget is saved so far, what happens to that?#nyscrutiny Re people update. Can there be an occasional report on departures that includes- 1. Retirement 2. Early retirement (& essentially pension strain costs) 3. Transfers 4. Dismissal 5. Resignations being clarified. 6. Report on all employment tribunal cases & results

“Thank you Gwen for the question.  Firstly, to reassure you, these are all issues we look at on a regular basis regardless of whether the are part of the PAM agenda or not, but we will look to see if we can bring an update on these matters to PAM at some point.  There are some challenges around GDPR and protecting personal information, because there are often very few people included in these processes, making the chances of identifying them much greater.  These aren’t insurmountable but do require some thought, care and attention.” Will Naylor, Deputy Police and Crime Commissioner



Questions received during the meeting

david smith@david201712

#NYscrutiny . 1/2 Why is it that your Middle Managers have gone to those stations highlighted in yellow on the chart and bullied the crews to have the TRVS when there is no policy in place for riding Fire appliances with 3 Crew.
#NYscrutiny 2/3 Stations such as Masham will then not be used for standby moves. If they are then requested for a chimney fire, Incident Commanders will then have to ‘make up’ for a standard ‘type b’ appliance which could be 20-25 mins away.
#NYscrutiny 3/3 The TRV project has been a disaster from the start to which management should of been held accountable from the start.
The oncall availability for APR 18- MAR 2019, shows that the availability for the whole year shows that Colburn with a 39.4%.
The management have targeted Masham which the haven’t took into account that two firefighters are operational.
#NYscrutiny Silver command are picking and choosing which stations to cover through the OSR, but not informing station crews if they are back on the run
#NYscrutiny Putting the TRVs into RDS stations is unacceptable and a lack of respect for the communities. I certaininly don’t want my local retained station to have an inadequate appliance turning up to any incident. Get rid of the TRVs they are a waste



No. Time Item Purpose Lead
1 13:30 Attendance and apologies To note attendance and apologies: Police, Fire & Crime Commissioner
2 13:32 Minutes of previous meeting & Actions To discuss and agree the draft minutes of the previous meeting held on 24 September 2019 and to discuss the action log. All
3 13:35 Questions from the public To address questions raised by the public in advance in relation to the agenda. Police Fire & Crime Commissioner
4a NYFRS Thematic: On-call firefighters
4b 13:40 NYP Thematic: Domestic abuse
5 15:00 Performance / Outcome Updates
5b Performance update North Yorkshire police
5c Performance update North Yorkshire Fire and rescue Service
6 15:50 Questions on Twitter To address questions raised by the public in relation to the agenda. All
7 15:55 Any other business All
8 16:00 Date of next meeting 26 November 2019 at 13:30hrs, Alverton Court, NYP HQ

Meeting papers